Just ‘cuz


7 Responses to “Just ‘cuz”

  • W.R. Chandler Says:

    So you support the NDAA that was passed by the morons of both parties in Congress and signed by President Obama, which allows American citizens to be detained without charge?
    So you support the bill sponsored by your own Senator Leahy in which he wants the feds to have the power to read your emails without a warrant?
    Seriously, do you support stuff like this, or do you just dismiss it as some sort of conspiracy theory? 

    • Mister Guy Says:

      “So you support the NDAA that was passed by the morons of both parties in Congress and signed by President Obama, which allows American citizens to be detained without charge?”
       
      The final version of that 2012 bill provides that “Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”
       

  • twitter_fivebeforechaos Says:

    No, I don’t support either of those things, nor do I buy into the paranoid teabagger bullshit, either. I can do that, can’t I? I know, it’s hard to break out of dualistic thinking, it’s a conservative trait.

  • W.R. Chandler Says:

    So, J.D., I’m a bit confused.  You say you “don’t support either of those things” (the NDAA and Leahy’s now-defunct attempt to read our emails).  By saying you don’t support them, you are tacitly agreeing that they exist.
    Are these examples of “paranoid teabagger bullshit” or are you speaking of something else?
    Are you saying that liberty-killing laws like these exist, but we shouldn’t worry our little heads about it?  Sounds like you are in a bit of denial.  Sucks to realize that your God Government could turn on you too.

    • twitter_fivebeforechaos Says:

      I’m talking about FEMA detention camps, “Obama’s gonna take our guns away”, Agenda 21 and all that other tinfoil nonsense. And basically anything Glenn Beck talks about.

  • W.R. Chandler Says:

    Mr. Guy, you’re full of shit.  The NDAA indeed authorizes the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens. 
    After denying he wanted that power, Obama worked like hell to get it included, and he continues to work like hell to overturn federal judges’ orders that have put a kibosh on it.  Google it.  Those right-wing lunatics at the Huffington Post and the ACLU agree with me.  I tried to link it, but then my comments won’t post.
    It’s so cute to watch you put your blind faith in our government.  I choose to be a bit more wary.

    • Mister Guy Says:

      “The NDAA indeed authorizes the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.”
       
      No, it really doesn’t, since I’ve already quoted from the text of the actual bill above.  Again, the actual bill says in sub-section 1021(d):
      that nothing in the Act “is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force”.
      in sub-section(e), it says:
      “Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”
       
      and in sub-section 1022(b), it says:
      “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.”
       
      The NDAA invokes existing Supreme Court precedent that clearly permits the military detention (and even trial) of citizens who have themselves engaged in hostile acts or have supported such acts to the extent that they are properly classified as combatants or belligerents.  The fact is that the USA at is war with al-Qaeda & the Taliban (as we should be IMHO), and detention of enemy combatants in accordance with the laws of war is authorized.  Nothing precludes people that are detained from being tried in civilian courts, like many of them should be IMHO.  If a detainee is an enemy combatant who has not violated the laws of war, then they are not chargeable with any offense & can be held as a POW until hostilities are over, which is certainly nothing new.
       
      “Those right-wing lunatics at the Huffington Post and the ACLU agree with me.”
       
      Actually, the ACLU does not believe that the NDAA authorizes military detention of American citizens or anyone else in the USA or that it could be used to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act.